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Self-Immolating Republicans

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What a shame the Republican Party ideologues have outdone the Democrats on fanaticism and have virtually handed the election to Obama. The old war hero who stood up to the North Vietnamese couldn't stand up to them. The McCain whom people thought they used to know has disappeared. Instead of the old "maverick" we have a political opportunist whose pick for running mate has no experience but displays as her qualifications her stand against abortion and her once having shot a moose. And the Republican base cheers!

What is wrong with these people? They would rather destroy their party than win an election. And now they would rather destroy the American economy than risk a slide into what they call "Bolshevism." If only Ledbetter were actually correct!

The rest of the country is so sick and fed up with these people that I predict the election won't even be close. We will have elected an ultra-liberal President with a history of association with left-wing radicals, whose tendency when facing an international confrontation is to blame America first. And he'll win with lots of Republican help!

My only consolation after this happens will be to see those Republican rightists who contributed to their party's demise yelping and screaming when they discover what their efforts have reaped. They have done for McCain what MoveOn did for Kerry. What goes around comes around.

Intrepid, before you get upset, remember that I wanted the Republicans to win this time, and that's why I'm so mad.

Carlos, I know you really wanted the Republicans to win this time, and for the same reason I did. And I read (and will re-read) your NY Times piece. But there are other realities that you and others will not acknowledge.

Though we may foolishly dare to hope, the election was never supposed to be close, Carlos. It was always intended to be a BIG win (or a big steal) for Barack Obama. Just as (at some specific point in the Republican primaries) it was already decided--by fair means or foul--that McCain would win and Giuliani would stay out until Florida, thereby losing. Why would Giuliani do such a thing to himself? Because he was made to! By whom? I don't know, but it was not from the right, because McCain consistently has voted & legislated across party lines and has (in important ways) been further left than Giuliani.

Re: "The McCain whom people thought they used to know has disappeared."
That was the McCain YOU thought you knew, Carlos. He didn't disappear, he got bought (over many years and recently) by George Soros. And if you don't like reading, hearing or thinking it, that does not change the truth of it.

I know you can't believe it, but the only thing standing between this Republic and a Socialist-style dictatorship coming to power in 3 months is the Republican right who at this perfect moment are being foisted by their own petard.

You don't have to believe that, Carlos, and you can think me crazy, and I don't mind. But I am very disappointed that all you can get out of this brilliantly executed collapse is that the Republican right have brought this on themselves. Republicans may have helped bring this on themselves, but they are NOT what caused it. Look to WBUSH who serves the elite, his family business, Arab oil and the New World Order (also known as the Global Community: where left meets right & Tyranies Kiss!) subscribed to also by--George Soros.

You say that you really wanted the Republicans to win this time. But how could that happen with a tired (and probably played out) old man like McCain up against the kind of machine that's been building in the former Democratic party (and throughout this country) over the last 30 years? But that outright criminality has a long history that hatched a vicious scam. Please read this.

If you go through both pages of this piece as I have your Times article, then I am willing to discuss with you what I believe is happening. And honestly, there's enough blame to pass around everywhere!

I am intrigued by your Giuliani thesis. Who do you think could have had that much influence on him, and what evidence do you have?

Also - you may have mentioned this before, but I lost track of it - what is the evidence that McCain sold himself to Soros?

I expect the left to do what it can to get itself into power. I don't expect the Republican Party "faithful" to play right into their hands. McCain would have had a shot if not for them. He may not be your perfect candidate, but consider the alternative.

Given the public mood, any other Republican would have crashed and burned long before now. I think the mainstream would have hungered to hear a straight-talking guy like the McCain of 2000 - but there's no sign of him left. And who was that old guy afraid of? Not the center, not the left - just the rigid religious right, to whom he was practically the Antichrist. Well, let them rejoice with what they'll get in November. That part will be fun to watch.

I will try to read the Liebowitz article very soon, then comment further.

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Carlos, I will address each of the questions you've raised a bit later. First I wish to cover a specific point.

I think the mainstream would have hungered to hear a straight-talking guy like the McCain of 2000 - but there's no sign of him left. And who was that old guy afraid of? Not the center, not the left - just the rigid religious right, to whom he was practically the Antichrist.

If you don't mind my saying so, that comment in itself seems "rigid" and a bit over-stated. Especially as McCain was not so much "afraid of" as beholden to his own little 'Antichrist'.

Re: "you may have mentioned this before, but I lost track of it - what is the evidence that McCain sold himself to Soros?"
Yes, Carlos, I've mentioned it before and will now mention it again so that you may find the track of it, if you wish to. Read through this, if you can. It's not long, but it is not good.

Then, there is this, linking McCain to Soros, but also linking Soros to much of the mess we are in right now. If you can stand it, look at it. But if you can't--don't shoot the messenger.

Thanks for the articles. I look forward to reading them, and will read them soon.

However, I stand by my point about the Republican extremists. They threatened a mutiny on the convention floor if McCain picked a running mate outside their faithful flock, no matter how well qualified. So he picked Palin, and now it's backfiring. Tonight's debate will be fascinating, but even if she does well, she's still not qualified for the spot.

And now those grandstanding Republican idiots in the House would sacrifice the nation's economy to their fears of "creeping socialism." McCain is starting to tank in the polls, thanks in large part to them.

There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer. And the Republican Party is dominated by an army of true believers. Onward Christian Soldiers, trash your own party and elect someone with a radical record to the most powerful job on earth. Way to go, ladies and gents. Well done indeed.

Well, they never liked McCain anyway. Now they will get what they've been praying for.

#2:

The Liebowitz article is only half the story. The other half is all about anti-regulation Republicans who didn't want any brakes on the "free market" that seemed to be providing a gravy train, and about greedy lenders and sellers who thought they saw an inexhaustible source of wealth in rising home prices and mortgage-backed securities. The latter kept looking for more people to lend money to regardless of their ability to pay, in order to keep producing more of those securities. This is not a partisan issue. There is plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle.

#2:

If you go through both pages of this piece as I have your Times article, then I am willing to discuss with you what I believe is happening.

Ok, I've gone through both pages. Please continue.

And honestly, there's enough blame to pass around everywhere!

My sentiments exactly.

#4:

The fact is that Soros is a leftist and has endorsed Obama. Even though Soros may be closer to McCain than to other Republicans on some issues like immigration and campaign finance reform, McCain is not the Soros candidate.

This is the problem with many in the Republican base. Just because McCain does not toe the complete orthodox line, they can't tell the difference between him and Obama. So what do they care if they destroy McCain's chances to win and we end up with Obama? After all, since McCain isn't Reagan or Bush, he might as well be Obama. This is totally nuts. And if McCain loses - which he probably will - I will blame these people. I expect Democrats to vote Democratic. I don't expect people who call themselves Republicans to enable the Democratic ticket.

So during the upcoming Obama presidency I'll have plenty of chances to say "I told you so" to Democrats and Republicans alike.

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Carlos,
I'll try to work my way backwards on this, starting with your last comments first.

Defining George Soros as "a leftist" is kind of like saying that Jayne Mansfield had breasts. It is a ridiculous understatement that (deliberately?) misses the point of everything. And, yes, Mr. Soros' "leftism" is in fact a great deal like pornography: all-powerful, all-embracing, corrupting, addictive, depraved!

You want to talk about extremism? Well, this is IT! If you're not paying attention by now, you should be because Mr. Soros is a BIG Player on the world stage and for many years has been a significant contributor toward what we are currently drowning in--our (October) economic crisis--just as he was the catalyst to the collapsing markets of both Russia and Great Britain in the early 1990s.

If you're implying that all you think he's done is "endorse" Obama, don't kid yourself. Thru front-groups such as ACORN & MoveOn he's done a lot more than just that, as you now know from what I've sent you. "Endorse" sounds so innocuous, Carlos, like a tax-free contribution.

I'm sticking with this not to gain brownie points, but because it is desperately important to see--even though Soros has already triumphed and it is over.

You say McCain is not the Soros candidate. But I say Obama is! And Senator McCain is the most pallatable, acceptable Republican candidate for Soros' agenda because Soros despises the Republican right even more than you do, Carlos, and he despises Capitalism even more than you hate conservative Christians.

This is the problem with many in the Republican base. Just because McCain does not toe the complete orthodox line, they can't tell the difference between him and Obama.

I want to say something unequivocally:
Any Republican who will either vote Obama in protest or stay home and not vote for McCain will betray and help to destroy our country as surely as any of Stalin's (or Saul Alinsky's) useful idiots (who pack the Democrat Party). But I am telling you right now, Carlos, that on Election Day such (sick & stupid) individuals from my party will be few & far between. Look to the left to do the damage! How do I know this? McCain won the nomination. Yes, with Sarah Palin at his side who is not (I repeat, NOT!) an extremist. She is a rock solid, Republican, traditional in every sense. She is a totally self-made woman. First a Mayor, then a Governor willing to take on her own party hacks to get things accomplished! And the left machine (politicos, pundits, moderators) are crucifying her & her family while you independents watch & criticize--her.

Hillary Clinton (Saul Alinsky protoge) who rode to power on her husband's filthy coat tails, SHE is an extremist. Junior Senator Barack Hussein Obama, HE is an extremist. And as for Governor Palin not being qualified to be Vice President, how can that even be an issue when we look to the Democratic candidate for President? What are HIS qualifications, Marxism?

WHY is this happening? HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED? These are the questions you should be asking, and actively seeking the answers to. But you don't. It's simpler just to dump it all on right-wing Republicans who do not perform as you wish them to--after the horse has fled the barn and the Dems have nominated Mr. Community Organizer.

Re: "So what do they care if they destroy McCain's chances to win and we end up with Obama?"
I repeat, "they" nominated John McCain. And if Senator McCain does not open his mouth and start going on the attack big time against Obama in the debates, he will destroy his own chances. End of Story!

Re: "I don't expect people who call themselves Republicans to enable the Democratic ticket."
That is a fantasy, and a cop-out. Look elsewhere for the enablers, Carlos. Look where you haven't looked, where you wish not to look.

Look to the Left!

#9:

I appreciate your message, and much of it is preaching to the choir. I agree McCain is the better choice. I also have no interest in defending Mr. Soros whatsoever. I take it as a given that neither of us is in sympathy with the left. That their actions don't surprise me doesn't mean that I like them.

So there's a lot in your message to which I don't need to respond, because I don't disagree with it.

You say "they" (presumably the Republican right) nominated McCain. It's not that simple. McCain had a very tough struggle, and fortunately the pragmatists in the party prevailed since it's clear as crystal no other Republican candidate would have stood a chance. NEVERTHELESS, to win the support of his party McCain had to prostitute himself. He doesn't dare express a number of views that earned him his "maverick" reputation and would have appealed to independents, and his kowtowing to the party base has been embarrassing - and will probably lose him the election.

Nowhere is this more evident than in his pick of Palin. I don't call her an "extremist" - that's not the point. The point is, she's not qualified. She has neither the necessary experience nor command of the issues. Did you see tonight's debate? Biden lobbed one grenade after another at McCain, and she was totally unprepared. All she could do was change the subject and quote from her playbook. She failed completely to defend the top of her ticket.

The debate was a rout, but because expectations for Palin were already so low, most of the pundits aren't calling it what it really was. But I think the voters will react differently, and indications are that is already happening. What does it say about McCain's judgment that his VP pick is assessed mainly on her ability just to show up and not flop on her face? Is this what we want in a potential President?

And this brings me once again to my main point, to which you have repeatedly failed to respond: the Republican party faithful may turn out in November to vote for McCain, but they have already done their damage. Because of their threats, McCain felt forced to go against his instincts and pick someone who would appeal to those people regardless of her lack of qualifications. I wish McCain had shown some balls and stood up to their whining and their threats, but this year we're seeing an emasculated McCain who has been just too afraid to offend them, and whom I now have trouble respecting.

So shame on McCain and shame on the Republican faithful who insisted on reshaping him in their own image, with their threats of disruption and mutiny. My one consolation next year will be that Obama will be their President as well as mine.

#10

I take it as a given that neither of us is in sympathy with the left. That their actions don't surprise me doesn't mean that I like them.

That their actions don't surprise you is what I find most disheartening. Their "actions" have been surprising, shocking and frightening me for almost 2 decades now. And this current election process is the culmination of years of preparation by the Marxist anti-democratic left. So, it saddens me that you can be so self-righteously outraged and totally judgmental about faith-based rank & file conservative Republicans--yet so oddly cool & detached about this election year's initiatives of the extreme Marxist left.

Re: "to win the support of his party McCain had to prostitute himself."
Oh, poor, poor McCain... The things we do for love!

You still don't get it. How could he prostitute himself to his own party by FINALLY pandering to the party faithful, the party base, the rank & file--after having prostituted himself to the left & having sold himself to Soros for years?

#11:

Thanks for directing me here.

I wouldn't say I'm cool and detached - just resigned. I don't expect Democrats and/or leftists and/or radicals to act counter to the interests of their agenda. That Republicans have done so this time is just stupidly self-destructive.

I think you exaggerate the McCain/Soros connection. Soros is solidly behind Obama, and has been so even before Obama's victory over Hillary. I would hardly call McCain a prostitute to the left just because the extreme right-wing party base is actually to the right of him. There's gotta be some room in the middle. The Republicans vacated it this year - which is why they are going to lose.

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Re: "I think you exaggerate the McCain/Soros connection."
Carlos, did you read thru the two Soros links I sent you? IF you actually did, but could still say this, then I think you're Lost in Space.

Re: "I would hardly call McCain a prostitute to the left just because the extreme right-wing party base is actually to the right of him."
That is not why he is being referred to as a sell-out and you damned well KNOW IT! Again, did you R-E-A-D the 2 links I've provided? If you did, you should be cognizant of the FACT that McCain has taken a great deal of money from Soros since 2001--not for charitable contributions! He is therefore in a contract with Soros. It's either a marriage or a deal. But either way, he's sold himself!

Prostitution means selling oneself for money (in exchange for favors). Now, how the hell do you define it?

#13:

I did reread the articles once again. Soros contributed money to an institute McCain founded to promote campaign finance reform. I don't see that as such a big deal. If you think I missed something, then please quote directly the precise evidence showing something more sinister is at work.

Soros is backing Obama, that's all I know.